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Old 09-11-08, 09:45 PM
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Exclamation My Goal For A Future Haiti Including Greater Relations With DR.

MY PLAN FOR A NEW HAITIAN ARMED FORCES IN 2025.
By Wilgeens "AfroLatino" Rosenberg.
Am I to be part of, or eventually wish and desire perhaps there be once again a Haitian Armed Forces in Haiti one day? Yes, I do as on paper the Army still exists. Do I desire to become president of Haiti one day? My answer is affirmatively, certainly and definitively NO, period. By the way, my long term desired dream career and passion is FILM and to work in the domain that caters to social improvements and greater relations between the Haitian and Dominican Republic of the Island of Hispaniola.
Thus never the desire to become Haiti's president one day has ever been one of my ambitions. Rather or instead my future goal for Haiti is to revitalize the Haitian Armed Forces if ever it will be or shall be re-established so that it becomes a well respective reputable Institution where young Haitian men and women can learn how to love and serve and respect their Country sot hat we do not have this many easy to manipulate corrupted politicians as we do today in Haiti's political arena. As this new Haitian Armed Forces will be kept away from any political affiliations and will be only under the overall directive of the Country's Commander In Chief, its Generals and lastly the Country's Congressional Branch. As also in addition, this improved Armed Forces will be used as an alternative means and tools for young Haitian men and women to get an education and future jobs in or outside this Armed Forces as this re-established Armed Forces will be more like a Corp De Genie and will be decentralized throughout the provincial Country sides of Haiti given that bases will be built in other regions of Haiti for training, schooling and Military Tactical Exercises that will instill pride, valor and integrity in those young men and women in adopting a true sense of civic duty and sets of dignified codes and values.
This new Armed Forces I hope will be consisting of an ARMY, NAVY and possibly AIR FORCE if and when Haiti can or will be able to afford to and I would bring back "LA MARINE HAITIENNE" to be more on the medical help it once was for scholars in Haiti in the study of Oceanic Marina studies and conservation. This Armed Forces will have other regional departmental sub-divisions that will be considered as something similar to the Reserves and National Guard that will be primarily be themselves under the directive of hopefully assigned Mayoral or Governors jurisdictions.
P.S: The only military Branches that would be left in Haiti would be first the Presidential and the Department Of Defense Concierge.
Second, a Sustainable Immediate or Intermediate Deployable Response Striking Team would be dispersed and allocated throughout the Country's major large cities principally Port-Au-Prince in the event of additional troops is needed to assist the Police Forces or in case of Emergencies such as natural disasters, Chaos Control, border security patrol to work in conjunction joint operation and corporation with others in the Caribbean and Latin-Americas and so forth. I repeat, my goal for a Future New Haiti does includes and involve indeed greater relations with our next door neighbor same Island inhabitants dearly the Dominican Republic thought peaceful accords and civil amicability for a prosperous Hispaniola.
IMPORTANT NOTE TO READ: This draft is welcomed to suggestions, recommendations and ideas in favor or pertaining to this plan for a new Haitian Armed Forces in Haiti.
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Old 09-12-08, 08:06 AM
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haiti doesn't have money to maintain an army at this momment.the new force should include doctor s,agronome,infimiers,ingeniuers et tan dautre.we need an army compose with intelligence not thug
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We need graduated officers with degrees in law, medicine and engineering. We need a stronger coast guard, a better equiped Police Force and surveillance at the DR border.
At the same time, there are politicians in Haiti that are ready and willing to use armed forces for their own interest. Within a year of starting an Army, we could go back to the Coup d' Etat era. But 2025 could be different, I hope.
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This new Armed Forces I hope will be consisting of an ARMY, NAVY and possibly AIR FORCE if and when Haiti can or will be able to afford to and I would bring back "LA MARINE HAITIENNE" to be more on the medical help it once was for scholars in Haiti in the study of Oceanic Marina studies and conservation. This Armed Forces will have other regional departmental sub-divisions that will be considered as something similar to the Reserves and National Guard that will be primarily be themselves under the directive of hopefully assigned Mayoral or Governors jurisdictions.lol wat kind of resources haiti has to support all those thing
hey pano why this guys is waisting talking about all the stuff people are living in proverty .haiti doesn't have black gold like venezuela ,saudi arabia .most people in the haitian army were choosen because they have a parrain in the duvallier regime they didn't join because of they intelligence minded people who want to help they country ,but they destroy it look at guy phillipe and others in the last coup d'etat they are a bunch of imbecille
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Yeah but he has it set for 2025, if we work together maybe we'll have the resources by then.
A US president once said "fail to plan is plan to fail", I don't remember his name.
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We need graduated officers with degrees in law, medicine and engineering. We need a stronger coast guard, a better equiped Police Force and surveillance at the DR border.
At the same time, there are politicians in Haiti that are ready and willing to use armed forces for their own interest. Within a year of starting an Army, we could go back to the Coup d' Etat era. But 2025 could be different, I hope.
I hope this time you have actually read what I said and wrote thoroughly and not selectively in regards to your comment that says "Politician may use the Armed Forces for their own interests."
Notice that I addressed that in the part where I said: "This Armed Forces will have other regional departmental sub-divisions that will be considered as something similar to the Reserves and National Guard in the USA that will be primarily be themselves under the directive of hopefully assigned Mayoral or Governors jurisdictions. The only military Branches that would be left in Port-Au-Prince, Haiti would be...
First - The Presidential and the Department Of Defense Concierge.
Second - A Sustainable Immediate or Intermediate Deployable Response Striking Team would be dispersed and allocated throughout the Country's major large cities principally Port-Au-Prince in the event of additional troops is needed to assist the Police Forces or in case of Emergencies such as natural disasters, Chaos Control, border security patrol.
Third - Let me or if I may add, I would completely militarize those surrounding little Haitian Islands and turn them into Military Town Societies and those little Islands are -- Ile De la Tortue (NORTH HAITI), La Gonave (CENTRAL HATITI) and Ile La Hatte (SOUTH HAITI) to work in conjunction, joint operation and corporation with other Nationss in the Caribbean and Latin-Americas such as for Naval, Air Force and Coast Guards stall station bases and so forth meanwhile as part of my deal is to use them and their resources as well to train the Haitian troops to become proficient in those branches.
I repeat and insist - My goal and plan for a Future New Haiti in 2025 and even 2030 does in fact include and involve indeed greater relations with our next door neighbors and our very own same Island inhabitants dearly the Dominican Republic through peaceful accords and civil amicability for a prosperous peaceful Hispaniola."
Laslty - For the Officers and Higher ups I would send them overseas for their Officer Learning Training & Courses and more or so forth.
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haiti doesn't have money to maintain an army at this momment.the new force should include doctor s,agronome,infimiers,ingeniuers et tan dautre.we need an army compose with intelligence not thug
Indeed, we do need an Army where its members are law abiding citizens and not thugs which is the first step. As an Army Cadet myself, let the truth be told that they even tell you at the Academy that you cannot afford to even virtually have all your regular, petty soldiers be all Intelligent brainiacs.
Reasoning and Smart individuals perhaps, yes, but not necessarily intelligent... Otherwise you will not have a single mission done or accomplished, and what you will have instead is a darn debate or insubordination as though it was some democratic process. Besides there is a quota that needs to be met and the more unemployed citizens we take off the Streets and provide them with a job while they are serving their Country should always be considered a major plus where both sides win. Yeah, democracy does not work in the military or a military anywhere. That is why it is a military. However, as an Officer you are held responsible and bestow upon you great responsibilities and trust to make sound decisions that do not unjustifiably compromise and jeopardize the welfare and well being of your Soldiers.
Nevertheless like you said and if you have read what I said in the post. This new Armed Forces should be more of or like a "Corp De Genie" that includes all these avenues you have mentioned to use that for the building and development of the Country, where those service members can also be used as man power for those mobilizing development tasks in and throughout the Country.
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This new Armed Forces I hope will be consisting of an ARMY, NAVY and possibly AIR FORCE if and when Haiti can or will be able to afford to and I would bring back "LA MARINE HAITIENNE" to be more on the medical help it once was for scholars in Haiti in the study of Oceanic Marina studies and conservation. This Armed Forces will have other regional departmental sub-divisions that will be considered as something similar to the Reserves and National Guard that will be primarily be themselves under the directive of hopefully assigned Mayoral or Governors jurisdictions.lol wat kind of resources haiti has to support all those thing
hey pano why this guys is waisting talking about all the stuff people are living in proverty .haiti doesn't have black gold like venezuela ,saudi arabia .most people in the haitian was choosen because they have a parrain in the duvallier regime they didn't join because of they intelligence minded people who want to help they country ,but they destroy it look at guy phillipe and others in the last coup d'etat they are a bunch of imbecille
My friend,
Let me tell you something up front and direct. As Haitians, we have got to stop undermining every ideas someone propose and tarnish them with this kind of defeatist mentality and thinking of impossibility. Haiti has the possibility and perhaps even prospects of many Natural resources that are not or have not been explored simply because and due to cost and the lack of funding investments.
Haiti is poor indeed and only in the Western Hemisphere is it considered to be as the poorest, but Haiti is not the poorest in the Whole Wide World and surely not the only poor Nation. There are plenty of other poor Nations that have a strong enough military power to defend themselves. Besides, while we are paying the MINUSTHA's this almost indefinite paycheck where they have not shown us the slightest prospects of ever to withdraw from Haiti anytime soon, we could have used them by demanding of the UN to shift the mission to also train and help us build our Army back up with Constitutionally still exists on paper and because and under that premise that any invading force, peacekeeping or not, should have abide to this Constitutional premise that this should have been included within their block of instruction and phases plan within that Country of which they occupy right now.
If Haiti even had oil, do you think Haiti and the Haitian people would even know? Rumor has it that Haiti does possess a small amount of oil, especially in region or area where all the applicable resource of how oil is formed exist such as in places like "Cite Soleil and Martissan" so I heard. There were even news or words on the street of what the US American Soldiers have done in Cite Soleil where they sought out and conducted surveys that indicates there were indeed petroleum in the area and after they had done with the survey they marked and sealed those specific pinpointed location with signs that say: "US GOVERNMENT PROPERTY." during the time this provisory President had replaced Aristide after the Modern Day Haitian - Bush Backed Coup D'Etat.
Whether or not this story being true or not, also, you have to look at the fact that even if Haiti did have gold or perhaps other crude natural resources (which I am not ruling that possibility totally out) Haiti would not have the means to get to them since it would be costly to hire and provide adequate teams of expert which Haiti does not have and would have to get foreign expert who would never represent Haiti's true interests and those expert perhaps would not even tell Haiti how much of it that it truly has so that they can profit and dupe the Haiti thus the Haitian Government and people. So the question I ask you is this:
Since and given that no existing team of experts had actually examine, explore nor extracted physical evidence that has shown as whether or not if Haiti has those Natural resources in question or not that even theories alone are not sufficient... Thus, how do you yourself know for sure and certain that Haiti does not have them?
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Haitian Justice Minister Henry Marge Dorleans Accuses U.S.A Of Seeking To Undermine Haiti's Sovereignty.
Written In September 2006
Haitian Justice Minister Henry Marge Dorleans said on Tuesday that a U.S. embassy advert offering rewards for information about heavy weapons in private hands in the island nation, was a deliberate move to undermine Haitian sovereignty.
"This is an attempt to bring Haiti's justice system under the authority of the United States," Henry Marge Dorleans was quoted as saying by the daily newspaper Caribbean Net News, according to reports reaching here on Tuesday.
"If you have any information about people hiding heavy weapons, please contact the United States embassy in Port-au-Prince. Calls will be treated as confidential and will be handsomely rewarded," said the U.S. embassy advertisement, currently running on Haitian radio in the local Creole language.
The incident came as the country's National Commission is trying to recover an estimated 200,000 weapons, which are scattered all over the place and believed to be in private hands. The government body, along with seven non-governmental organizations, is negotiating with street gangs in Haiti's roughest neighborhoods.
"All attempts to deliver the apparatus of justice into the hands of foreigners deserves an urgent intervention from our nation's authorities," said Joseph Lambert, president of Haiti's Senate.
The U.S. embassy sources have formally denied any attempt to undermine Haiti's sovereignty.

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Old 09-12-08, 01:25 PM
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I read your post and I agree with you this time. We need to plan ahead.
The first time I actually read the article and it said what it said, let's put this behind us.
Read the Ingenieur Haitien thread, most of it is in English because I got no response from the Haiti based engineers. Let's work together and move forward.
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Haitian Lawmakers Propose New Security (Military) Force To Tackle Insecurity To Replace The Outgunned Police Force.
The Associated Press Written On: WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 27, 2006
PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti - Legislators have proposed creating a new security force to bolster Haiti's outgunned police ? raising the possibility of reinstating the Caribbean country's notorious and disbanded military, an official said Tuesday.
The force would be trained by Haitian and foreign security experts, and could take control of guarding the country's coasts and it's porous border with the Dominican Republic, said Sen. Youri Latortue, president of the Senate commission on public safety.
"Haiti needs a force to be able to protect the country," Latortue told The Associated Press in an interview. "We think that it's the first step in (restoring) security because if our borders aren't protected, anyone can come to Haiti and do what they want."
Funds to study the new force were included in a draft national budget agreed upon by lawmakers this week, Latortue said. President Rene Preval must approve the budget before sending it back to Parliament for a final vote expected later this week.
Daily kidnappings, killings and other violence has fueled debate over the need for a security force to support Haiti's ill-equipped police, which has 4,000 officers to serve a population of 8 million.
An 8,800-strong U.N. peacekeeping force currently provides the only real security in the impoverished nation, which is still reeling from a violent uprising that toppled former President Jean-Bertrand Aristide in February 2004.
Latortue, the nephew and former security chief of ex-interim Prime Minister Gerard Latortue, said he and other colleagues support a new force to replace Haiti's demobilized military, although other lawmakers have said they favor a national police force.
Aristide dismantled the military in 1995, after a U.S. military intervention restored him to power following the 1991 coup that first ousted him.
The 1990-1994 military coup regime is blamed for the murders, rapes, maimings and torture of thousands of Aristide supporters, and today's former soldiers include convicted murderers.
Latortue said anyone convicted of human rights abuses should be barred from joining any future security force.
"We are not going to have people who violated human rights in the past. We are going to have some new elements," said Latortue, who has denied alleged links to drug and arms trafficking.
The government offered no immediate reaction to the proposed force. Before taking power in May, Preval expressed support for creating a police force similar to that of France's national force, but stopped short of saying he would favor reinstating the armed forces.
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I can guarantee you that no planification has been done so the past mistakes won't be repeated. This will not be the army that we're suggesting. It will be the same disorganized thugs that will give us 3 to 4 coup d' etat a year.
Scary times...
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