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Old 08-16-02, 03:48 AM
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Question Volè Titre (usurpateur de titre)?

I just finished reading one of the publications of Mr. Aristide. After a long journey through very complicated figures and old stories and inappropriate comparisons, I decided to check the background of the author. I have to say that I decided to read the book for different reasons:
1. It's by Aristid, a well-known politician followed by numerous of his compatriots.
2. Aristid seems to be an interesting "personage" who should be studied by the different "branches" of the research community.
3. Most of all, it is said on the cover of the book that Aristide has done "Post Graduate" studies.
For these reasons, I decided to take the journey and to continue reading through the different "facettes" of the writing of this obscure author. At the end, I started questioning the intellectual and scientific rigor of the author. So, I decided to do a little research. I went to the website of the "Palais National" it is said that Aristide has done "Post Graduate" studies. I check all of his publications, same story. Then I decided to find out where he did these studies. That's when I found out that it was at the "Faculté d'Ethnologie d'Haiti." I started laughing, not at any "faculté" within the "Université d'Etat d'Haiti," but for the fact that the "Faculté d'Ethnologie" only have an undergraduate department and that Mr. Aristid claims that he did his post graduate studies there. The people at the "faculte d'ethnologie" were very kind to send to me a copy of his "thesis." The title, if I remember is "la croix des missions ou la Mission de la croix" which makes me laugh even louder. I decided to check where he has spent some times over his life: Israel, Canada, Vatican. They do not find his name in any graduate or postgraduate programs.
Make no mistake; I'm not saying that the man is dumb. All I'm saying is that we need to set the example. And, as a (former) priest, as a public figure, as president, Mr. Aristide should be the "role model." Unfortunately, he did not feel comfortable enough with himself.
It's against the law to "volè titre." Aristide should be brought to justice. I understand that he is not the only one in this situation in Haiti.
Please, don't come after me. You'll not find me. To those of you who don't like the truth, just disregard this post. To those who want to defend Mr. Aristide, even when he is wrong, go away from this thread. To those who want to fight against "tout ce qui est mauvais dans notre societe," I'm looking forward for your contribution to this thread.
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Old 08-16-02, 02:33 PM
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Yeah!!!
What a "dumb bastard " this Aristide is?
With all the forces YOU have arrayed against him,he is continuing to kick YOUR "smart " asses.
You and your clique should be so "dumb"
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Old 08-16-02, 03:30 PM
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Do a little more research

First, let me state that I'm not an aristide supporter.
With that out of the way, I must say that your investigation is incomplete. You state in your note that: "I decided to check where he has spent some times over his life: Israel, Canada, Vatican. They do not find his name in any graduate or postgraduate programs."
Mr Brother, you omitted the 4 years he spent in the USA. I've heard that he completed his studies while in exile. So, your point is inconclusive until you do some more research and prove that he did not study here. But, please let's not jump to conclusions until we have all the facts needed for an irrefutable argument.
Let's not denigrate the man until you present the complete results of your investigation.
Peace.
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Old 08-16-02, 04:54 PM
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chz99,
I thank you very much for your intervention. I made a big mistake by assuming that while in exile he has spent all his time thinking about the best way to return to Haiti and how he'll lead upon his return. My assumption seems not to be a good one. If the assumptions are false, the results would not be valid in most of the cases.
To all the readers, disregard the conclusion from my previous post in this thread. I'll make some more research in other to test the validity of my assumption and I'll get back with a final conclusion.
My goal is not to try to destroy Mr. Aristide, but instead to let everyone know that there are people out there watching. They better get out clean or someone will see them and "denonce" them.
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Re: Volè Titre (usurpateur de titre)?

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I just finished reading one of the publications of Mr. Aristide. After a long journey through very complicated figures and old stories and inappropriate comparisons, I decided to check the background of the author. I have to say that I decided to read the book for different reasons:
1. It's by Aristid, a well-known politician followed by numerous of his compatriots.
2. Aristid seems to be an interesting "personage" who should be studied by the different "branches" of the research community.
3. Most of all, it is said on the cover of the book that Aristide has done "Post Graduate" studies.
For these reasons, I decided to take the journey and to continue reading through the different "facettes" of the writing of this obscure author. At the end, I started questioning the intellectual and scientific rigor of the author. So, I decided to do a little research. I went to the website of the "Palais National" it is said that Aristide has done "Post Graduate" studies. I check all of his publications, same story. Then I decided to find out where he did these studies. That's when I found out that it was at the "Faculté d'Ethnologie d'Haiti." I started laughing, not at any "faculté" within the "Université d'Etat d'Haiti," but for the fact that the "Faculté d'Ethnologie" only have an undergraduate department and that Mr. Aristid claims that he did his post graduate studies there. The people at the "faculte d'ethnologie" were very kind to send to me a copy of his "thesis." The title, if I remember is "la croix des missions ou la Mission de la croix" which makes me laugh even louder. I decided to check where he has spent some times over his life: Israel, Canada, Vatican. They do not find his name in any graduate or postgraduate programs.
Make no mistake; I'm not saying that the man is dumb. All I'm saying is that we need to set the example. And, as a (former) priest, as a public figure, as president, Mr. Aristide should be the "role model." Unfortunately, he did not feel comfortable enough with himself.
It's against the law to "volè titre." Aristide should be brought to justice. I understand that he is not the only one in this situation in Haiti.
Please, don't come after me. You'll not find me. To those of you who don't like the truth, just disregard this post. To those who want to defend Mr. Aristide, even when he is wrong, go away from this thread. To those who want to fight against "tout ce qui est mauvais dans notre societe," I'm looking forward for your contribution to this thread.
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VYE FRE PA KITE TI VAKBON VIRE LOLOJ OU . KONTINYE ANKET OU TET KALE. NEG BOYISIT TOUJOU VLE BAY KAKAPOUL POU ZE. SI TI MAL VOLE TOUT BAGAY MWEN PA WE POUKI REZON LI PAKA VOLE TIT.
NAN LEKZIL PA GENYEN POU ETDYE ANPIL NEG KAP MENEN JOUNEN JODIA SE PASKE YO TE KONN MENNEN PITI YO, MADANM BA aristide koupe.
moral zero ! konviksyon zero ! avec mesye sa yo touT bagay posib !
pote kek limye sou ki moun ki te bay lod touye jan dominik ?
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VYE MENMEN ANKET NAN ENDEPANDANS PA KITE OKENN TI VAGABON ENFLIANSE OU.
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I just finished reading one of the publications of Mr. Aristide. After a long journey through very complicated figures and old stories and inappropriate comparisons, I decided to check the background of the author. I have to say that I decided to read the book for different reasons:
1. It's by Aristid, a well-known politician followed by numerous of his compatriots.
2. Aristid seems to be an interesting "personage" who should be studied by the different "branches" of the research community.
3. Most of all, it is said on the cover of the book that Aristide has done "Post Graduate" studies.
For these reasons, I decided to take the journey and to continue reading through the different "facettes" of the writing of this obscure author. At the end, I started questioning the intellectual and scientific rigor of the author. So, I decided to do a little research. I went to the website of the "Palais National" it is said that Aristide has done "Post Graduate" studies. I check all of his publications, same story. Then I decided to find out where he did these studies. That's when I found out that it was at the "Faculté d'Ethnologie d'Haiti." I started laughing, not at any "faculté" within the "Université d'Etat d'Haiti," but for the fact that the "Faculté d'Ethnologie" only have an undergraduate department and that Mr. Aristid claims that he did his post graduate studies there. The people at the "faculte d'ethnologie" were very kind to send to me a copy of his "thesis." The title, if I remember is "la croix des missions ou la Mission de la croix" which makes me laugh even louder. I decided to check where he has spent some times over his life: Israel, Canada, Vatican. They do not find his name in any graduate or postgraduate programs.
Make no mistake; I'm not saying that the man is dumb. All I'm saying is that we need to set the example. And, as a (former) priest, as a public figure, as president, Mr. Aristide should be the "role model." Unfortunately, he did not feel comfortable enough with himself.
It's against the law to "volè titre." Aristide should be brought to justice. I understand that he is not the only one in this situation in Haiti.
Please, don't come after me. You'll not find me. To those of you who don't like the truth, just disregard this post. To those who want to defend Mr. Aristide, even when he is wrong, go away from this thread. To those who want to fight against "tout ce qui est mauvais dans notre societe," I'm looking forward for your contribution to this thread.
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Old 08-16-02, 08:40 PM
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Mwen_Pa_Pè_Anye, this is a very interesting observation that you have made. For some reasons, Haitians are very much into titles and more than one claimed to be what they are not.
Clearly there is an identity problem among many Haitians: the one who falsify and the ones that are impressed by it.
Sometimes I wish there were a remake of that movie : The Comedians.
But in that Aristide case, who was the man trying to impress? The international community perhaps? If so is the case and they did fall for it (after all there must have been a background check), and it will reveal itself as a big joke and support for the man will erode even faster, adding to the suffering of the country.
At the local level, there should be no problems. Haitians are a resigned people. That is the way that Haitians have governed themselves for 200 centuries. They had (and are proud of it) emperors, kingdoms, Post Graduated etc...
Talking about empires, has anyone look at Haiti on a map, then look at Europe, Asia or other continents with their empires?
There again, a need to impress, a need to be grandiose... That is the downfall of this country. From the start they lived in the clouds, they dreamed, and simply refused to put their feet down and make that dream become reality.
That example of Aristide that you gave illustrate well the past, present and future leaders: A bunch of bullshiters....
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Old 08-17-02, 01:20 AM
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Mwen pa pe anyen,
Your next move about Arisitide is to investigate the color of his fecal matter. I should have not said that for the respect of others. We should send back, to school, "intellectuel" like you who relies only on "Coup d' etat". You'll have a lot of times to talk about this man. His influence on Haitian politic is not for tomorrow. It's a fact. Do not forget to check the University of Montreal... "Change democratically speaking is a slow process. Those who lost their privileges refuse to understand that...Soon or later, they will lose their mind.
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Old 08-17-02, 01:38 AM
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se post ou a moin trouver ki pi interesan nan tout post moin sot li la yo.
epi pa lage non/ kontinye rechèch yo. tout bete gin pou vinn deye mode ou. pa okipe younn/ fe djob ou.
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Old 08-17-02, 04:57 AM
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Mwen_Pa_Pè_Anye,
congratulations for the quality of your post and the investigation that you have made.
Please keep doing such a good job and do not hesitate to reveal the truth in this forum.
In Haiti we are not used with this way of thinking and we prefer "voyé monté" than coming with solid arguments, prove of evidence and investigation?s conclusion.
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