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[tjeanjak]

did you see the bright orange that ivory coast wore, or the bright green that cameroune wore at the last world cup?

they might have wanted to show up to the european scouts in search of lucrative deals, but they sure look good in my opinion.

and yes i do look good in colors. i wouldn't be in the line of works i am involved in now if i wasn't.:P

as for your reply ralafontant, while i appreciate your answer, i don' think if we were to change the flag it would necessarily mean we are trying to change our identity. in fact, the flag as it is now is not representative enough of who we are as a people. this flag came directly from the french, and what about our african and indigenous indian background? notwithstanding the fact the french don't even want to be associated with us considering the humiliation we give to napoleon and his world's best at the time. so why not have a flag, like most african countries or even caribbean countries, that reflects our ACTUAL background?

[intruder]

Originally Posted by tjeanjak

what about our african and indigenous indian background?

I got news for you my man. Unless it has changed recently but from past experience its safe to say that MOST haitians take more pride in their relative french background than they do their african background. SAD BUT SO SO SOOOO TRUE indeed

[TiCam]

Originally Posted by intruder

MOST haitians take more pride in their relative french background than they do their african background. SAD BUT SO SO SOOOO TRUE indeed :dry:

It is a matter of culture, it is part of our ancestral heritage and there is nothing wrong with that. As for an african background the only heritage we have is voudou and nothing else. I feel more closer and have a better raport with a french speaking african than with an english speaking one, its all a matter of culture and easy communication.

[intruder]

Originally Posted by TiCam

It is a matter of culture, it is part of our ancestral heritage and there is nothing wrong with that. As for an african background the only heritage we have is voudou and nothing else. I feel more closer and have a better raport with a french speaking african than with an english speaking one, its all a matter of culture and easy communication.

uh No babe.

You're talking about language. Thats not what i'm talking about here. I'm talking about some of us take more pride in FRENCH CULTURE period. Like they'd take more pride in studying the french revolution than african history.

[TiCam]

When did African history available to us?

[intruder]

Originally Posted by TiCam

When did African history available to us?

If your local college does not offer it its because there is no interest in it enough to add it. Plenty of times i've signed up for such classes only to see it cancelled because of low enrollment.

If it exist you can get it.

To get it all you need is to develop an interest.

[ralafontant]

intruder, nous ne sommes ni Africains, ni Francais mais bien Haitiens. Notre peuple est issu de la fusion des noirs esclaves descendants d'Africains et des affranchis pour la plupart mulatres fils d'esclaves et de colons francais. Notre drapeau symbolise la naissance de notre nation : l'absence du blanc, la presence des armes est la pour dire que notre peuple s'est fonde en chassant les colons qui nous maintenaient dans l'esclavage. Elle symbolise au contraire notre INDEPENDANCE par rapport a la France et l'union du bleu et du rouge represente l'union des noirs et des mulatres pour fonder Haiti.

Notre hymne, la Dessalinienne suit cette meme logique. Mis a part l'egarement de 1957-1986, notre pays a depuis le debut du 20e siecle adopte le drapeau d'aujourd'hui. Nous avons trop souvent change de symboles dans l'espoir que ca serait signe d'un nouveau depart, en vain. Maintenant, il nous faut faire de ces symboles, des symboles permanents.

Ce qui doit change maintenant est notre mentalite qui doit s'aligner avec notre embleme "l'Union fait la force".

[TiCam]

Originally Posted by intruder

If your local college does not offer it its because there is no interest in it enough to add it. Plenty of times i've signed up for such classes only to see it cancelled because of low enrollment.

If it exist you can get it.

To get it all you need is to develop an interest. :flirt:

Intruder its only recently African history was available to us BLACK PEOPLE, I said recently because its only recently that an african state existed after their independance. Before that there were only lies from the white colonialists.

Judging from what I have seen, coup d'etat here, political assassination there, muslem in this part fighting killing christians in that part. Just like home. Remember you were talking about culture.

Originally Posted by rlafontant

Ce qui doit change maintenant est notre mentalite qui doit s'aligner avec notre embleme "l'Union fait la force".

Je suis totalement d'accord!

[intruder]

Originally Posted by ralafontant

intruder, nous ne sommes ni Africains, ni Francais mais bien Haitiens. Notre peuple est issu de la fusion des noirs esclaves descendants d'Africains et des affranchis pour la plupart mulatres fils d'esclaves et de colons francais. Notre drapeau symbolise la naissance de notre nation : l'absence du blanc, la presence des armes est la pour dire que notre peuple s'est fonde en chassant les colons qui nous maintenaient dans l'esclavage. Elle symbolise au contraire notre INDEPENDANCE par rapport a la France et l'union du bleu et du rouge represente l'union des noirs et des mulatres pour fonder Haiti.

Notre hymne, la Dessalinienne suit cette meme logique. Mis a part l'egarement de 1957-1986, notre pays a depuis le debut du 20e siecle adopte le drapeau d'aujourd'hui. Nous avons trop souvent change de symboles dans l'espoir que ca serait signe d'un nouveau depart, en vain. Maintenant, il nous faut faire de ces symboles, des symboles permanents.

Ce qui doit change maintenant est notre mentalite qui doit s'aligner avec notre embleme "l'Union fait la force".

WTF?

Tu peux me dire ou ca que j’ai dit que nous etions francais ou africains? Je n’ai JAMAIS dit ca. Va re-lire mon poste.

Au sujet du drapeau, la chose que j’aimerais voir c’est la disparition des canons au centre du drapeau. Dans ces temps ci je ne voit pas pourquoi une nation commes Haiti voudrait se representer avec les image menacantes. On n’a pas besoin des fusil et des cannons sur un drapeau pour montrer notre courage.

Je comprend ta position contre le changement. La plus pard des gens n’aiment pas changer auqune chose auquel ils sont habitués. Mai le monde change. Il faut changer pour avancer.

[panoramix]

Changing the flag now would only prove that Haiti is as disoriented as it appears to be. We don't need another symbolic change, we need to progress as a Nation.