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[eddy15]

Maybe someone has come up with this answer before and somehow it never

made it to the general population. Maybe its common knowledge and I am just out of the

loop, or maybe just maybe, this question is exactly what we were all

waiting for in order to formulate an answer that will write the next

chapter in Haiti's history. A bit pretentious, some might say,

possibly, but then again every great accomplishment, even the greatest

of them all, "the only successful slave revolt in the history of

mankind", started with just an idea, or an answer to a question.

Of course there will be those who feel that there cannot be any

economic change until there is political, and all kinds of other

changes. But, this question seeks to find an economic change despite

everything else currently wrong with the country. Because if we had

to fix everything that is wrong with Haiti, we would have to wait

decades, if not centuries before we do anything. The truth is we

don't have that kind of time!

I am of the belief that Haiti's future depends on its children

outside its borders, for only they have the resources necessary to

bring real and lasting change. Furthermore there will not be a huge

price tag associated with that change, because it will be a gift to a

mother from its children. We have for too long waited to have some

outsider to come and help us out of our misery, they have only added

to it. And if we wait too long, Haiti will soon become a distant

memory, a myth!

If we should take anything from our glorious past, it is the fact that

the only we were able to accomplish our greatest feat is by coming

together! This is not intended for everyone, only those children of

Haiti in whose heart she has a special place!

So please don't be shy let's talk it out!!

[intruder]

Yes it should come or be started by the haitians that are outside of haiti because we have more resources BUT there needs to be some serious political changes and accountability.

Noone wants to see their hard earned dollars go down the toilet in the form of mis-management by govenrment officials and our ever lasting fraudulent ways.

I look at it like this: If they can get so comfortable stealing money from outsiders that HAS TO BE REPAID then what's going to happen to my money thats being donated? World banks lend us money and former presidents jet with it like it's their own. I'm barely making enough money to survive comfortably. Why should i give any of that away if the chances of it accomplishing what it was intended for are less than 25%.

Sure we can also invest in the country and not just donate but everyone who invest needs to at least break even but with political turmoil always a rumor away how can we guarantee even that? Let alone a profit that could then be reinvested right back into the country.

I need to see a governemt in Haiti that proves to me that they will hold people accountable before i dish mine out. Call me selfish if you want. I've always been called my own peoples worse critic but its just tough love.

[panoramix]

I'm on the side of working hard and learning abroad and going back to invest in Haiti. Many Haitian-Americans can't (in their right mind) invest a dime in Haiti if the country does not grant dual citizenship. Donations will accomplish nothing for Haiti. Investing will yield a lot.

Haiti would have been a great country to live in and visit if the Haiti-based "Business class/intelectuel" knew what to do with it. They've had years to do something. Haitian-Americans studied abroad, gained valuable experience and have seen the light but the door is shut to them.

Dual Citizenship is the 1st step towards a new vision.

[tjeanjak]

Instead of each one of us sending money yearly back home to our relatives, an amount that is estimated to be in the $Billion from all of us together, why not we collectively put our money in the same basket so that we open our own Haiti Development Bank for projects we deem viable for our own communities? The alternative will be to always depend on high interests and structural adjustments loans from the IDB or The World Bank where they tell us what to do with the money because of projects they see fit to benefit them as well.

[intruder]

Originally Posted by panoramix

I'm on the side of working hard and learning abroad and going back to invest in Haiti. Many Haitian-Americans can't (in their right mind) invest a dime in Haiti if the country does not grant dual citizenship. Donations will accomplish nothing for Haiti. Investing will yield a lot.

Haiti would have been a great country to live in and visit if the Haiti-based "Business class/intelectuel" knew what to do with it. They've had years to do something. Haitian-Americans studied abroad, gained valuable experience and have seen the light but the door is shut to them.

Dual Citizenship is the 1st step towards a new vision.

How does dual citizenship affect this?

[eddy15]

Thanks for your responses! I have to interject on some of your points though! This is not an attempt to start a collection for Haiti, but merely channel to communicate our thoughts. Someone somewhere may have the answer to the question which seeks to find a way to change the economic situation in Haiti despite everything else that is wrong with it, because we cannot do anything about that!

Please keep it coming!

[intruder]

Originally Posted by tjeanjak

Instead of each one of us sending money yearly back home to our relatives, an amount that is estimated to be in the from all of us together, why not we collectively put our money in the same basket so that we open our own Haiti Development Bank for projects we deem viable for our own communities? The alternative will be to always depend on high interests and structural adjustments loans from the IDB or The World Bank where they tell us what to do with the money because of projects they see fit to benefit them as well.

I'd gladly support this idea. THis is probably the best idea i've heard in a while

[panoramix]

Originally Posted by intruder

How does dual citizenship affect this?

It affects major investments from Haitian Americans. Haitian-Americans are treated like any other foreigners.

ARTICLE 55:

Le droit de propriété immobilière est accordé à l'étranger résidant en Haïti pour les besoins de sa demeure.

ARTICLE 55.1:

Cependant, l'étranger résidant en Haïti ne peut être propriétaire de plus d'une maison d'habitation dans un même arrondissement. Il ne peut en aucun cas se livrer au trafic de location d'immeubles. Toutefois, les sociétés étrangères de promotion immobilière bénéficient d'un statut spécial réglé par la loi.

ARTICLE 55.2:

Le droit de propriété immobilière est également accordé à l'étranger résidant en Haïti et aux sociétés étrangères pour les besoins de leurs entreprises agricoles, commerciales, industrielles, religieuses, humanitaires ou d'enseignement, dans les limites et conditions déterminées par la loi.

ARTICLE 55.3:

Aucun étranger ne peut être propriétaire d'un immeuble borné par la frontière terrestre haïtienne.

ARTICLE 55.4:

Ce droit prend fin cinq (5) années après que l'étranger n'a cessé de résider dans le pays ou qu'ont cessé les opérations de ces sociétés, conformément à la loi qui détermine les règlements à suivre pour la transmission et la liquidation des biens appartenant aux étrangers.

ARTICLE 55.5:

Les contrevenants aux sus-dites dispositions ainsi que leurs complices seront punis conformément à la loi.

ARTICLE 56:

L'étranger peut être expulsé du territoire de la République lorsqu'il s'immisce dans la vie politique du pays et dans les cas déterminés par la loi.

[TiCam]

Haiti est condamne a la mendicite!

Haiti est un depotoire ou la diaspora transporte tous les detritus et dechets provenant de l'etranger.

Its impossible for the diaspora to put money together to invest in Haiti, we never support each other, there is no solidarity among haitians. We are too selfish, the notion of solidarity does not exist in the haitian dictionary; it is an empty word for us without any sense or meaning.

[intruder]

Originally Posted by panoramix

It affects major investments from Haitian Americans. Haitian-Americans are treated like any other foreigners.

ARTICLE 55:

Le droit de propriété immobilière est accordé à l'étranger résidant en Haïti pour les besoins de sa demeure.

ARTICLE 55.1:

Cependant, l'étranger résidant en Haïti ne peut être propriétaire de plus d'une maison d'habitation dans un même arrondissement. Il ne peut en aucun cas se livrer au trafic de location d'immeubles. Toutefois, les sociétés étrangères de promotion immobilière bénéficient d'un statut spécial réglé par la loi.

ARTICLE 55.2:

Le droit de propriété immobilière est également accordé à l'étranger résidant en Haïti et aux sociétés étrangères pour les besoins de leurs entreprises agricoles, commerciales, industrielles, religieuses, humanitaires ou d'enseignement, dans les limites et conditions déterminées par la loi.

ARTICLE 55.3:

Aucun étranger ne peut être propriétaire d'un immeuble borné par la frontière terrestre haïtienne.

ARTICLE 55.4:

Ce droit prend fin cinq (5) années après que l'étranger n'a cessé de résider dans le pays ou qu'ont cessé les opérations de ces sociétés, conformément à la loi qui détermine les règlements à suivre pour la transmission et la liquidation des biens appartenant aux étrangers.

ARTICLE 55.5:

Les contrevenants aux sus-dites dispositions ainsi que leurs complices seront punis conformément à la loi.

ARTICLE 56:

L'étranger peut être expulsé du territoire de la République lorsqu'il s'immisce dans la vie politique du pays et dans les cas déterminés par la loi.

Which goes back to the government. I guess if they want my dollars they will have to make it easy for me to invest in Haiti.

I think i understand the reasonning behind that law because i've seen way too many islands in the caribbean that are practically owned by foreigners who couldnt care less about the country and the culture but t