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[Suki]

Question: Of those of us who grew up here, how many think that if the right opportunity came along you could move back to Haiti and live the rest of your lives there?

In my house while growing up it was always a sort of not spoken assumption that our stay in the U.S. was temporary and that someday "when things got better" we would return home. So far things haven't gotten better, and it's not sure that they ever will.

Talk to me.

[herve]

I think all of us would love to go back there. The problem is that the right opportunity will never come up as I do not see any changes in the country's basic structures. One would have to be crazy to move in a country which middle name is revolution.

And it will not be easy to readjust without the basics (electricity, water, phones etc...)

[Noudweront]

Anyone who's waiting for the "right opportunity" to go back home simply never will. Becaquse you have to define and create that opportunity first by answering this basic question: How badly do yoy want to go home?

If you're waiting for life down there to be like the one you live outside of Haiti, you're simply never going back (not alive, not in your lifetime anyway. One the other hand, as one who believes in conspiracy, we need to look into the combines forces who have banded together to keep the Haitian diaspora away from the MotherLand: Whereas Haiti makes a good weeping boy for The International community's interests in showing to the world how bad, dumb, stupid a majority-black independent Nation can be, the Haitian Diaspora has all it takes in terms of brainpower and finance to lift Haiti out of its magma/miasma.

Keeping the Diaspora away by robbing and killing Haitians visiting from abroad and scaring the rest away through the well orchestrated propaganda machine (Haiti Online, Haitian Times, hiring Haitian-American rightwingers at various american media outlets such as the NY Times and the Miami Herald and CIA-sponsored organizations like IRI and Convergence) has worked well for the foreign mafias (the most visible faces being the Arab minority who took over Haitian Economy) who've kidnapped Haiti starting in September 57.

Solution: 1. Establish a Haitian Government Agency to design and implement a PROGRAM TO RAPRIATE HAITIAN RESSOURCES FROM ABROAD

2. Inventory the presence of ALL foreigners in Haiti

3. Zero in on NGOs: most are permanent tourists/mercenaries for you know who.

4. Rexamine all IDENTITY PAPERS issued to the Arab community during the Duvalier years: most, if not all, are fake. Which makes their carriers illegal DEPORTABLE ALIENS.

5. Start deporting all this cumbersome baggage out of Haiti at once: Missionaries, NGO personnel, Arabs with fake papers.

6. SHOOT all deported Haitians convicted of violent crimes abroad such as murder, rape, child /sexual abuse/molestation.

7. Recruit the NATIONALISTS among deported Haitians to help rid the country of those in # 6 above.

If Haiti can find the wherewithall to accomplish the above, you'll amazed how fast the country will be safe again.

[HaitianDO]

As Haitian living abroad we have to go back, we must go back to better our country....the key is not necessarily in living in Haiti year round but in investing in the Haitian e-conomy in building businesses before "they do" in playing a very tactical chest game, in forming companies run and owned by Haitians who cares about the country.....Haiti has about 8 million people living in it....its economy is owned by less than 5% of the population (about 350,000 at best)......There are more than 2 million Haitian living abroad and many are doing descent....what we as Haitian living abroad need to do is visit Haiti find the niche that is needed where ever it is Health care, Technical Schools, Aviation, and create investements groups that goes to Haiti and develop those plans....Haitians will invest in Haiti if you can offer them the right infrastructure, plan of action, and what will the benefit be to the country and its citizens......We can not ask too much of the Haitian governmentas, all we can pray for is stability we can do the rest.... Haitian living in America we can do anything "they" can do except we can do it in the interest of our country.....If we count on the Haitian government that is currently being stalled by all kind of outside forces we will never see results...one by one, group by group, we can rebuild Haiti.....Share Ideas, share goals...do school fundraisers....if you are an engineer think of how you can build a strech of road for Haiti (so people leaving in the rural areas will have better acces to the highways)....If you are in agriculture how can a group of Haitian bring water to the dry lands of Haiti so farming can occur.....if you are a teacher what kind of school can benefit Haiti today.....If your are in constructrion how about building a magnificent building or rebuilding "palais san souci"......If you are in the Hotel industry how seeing about opening some beautiful efficient resorts....if you are in medicine How can you get you and your colleagues bring medical care kits to Haiti...How can you staff a Hospital.....How can a clinic be funded so that orphans don't have to die because they have no one to buy they medications for them..........And even with all that you find you still can not go back find a group that is willing to and share your Ideas and help fund their efforts.....As proud Haitians remember we have the knowledge...we know the game so we will play it and we will play it well.....we will no longer be played "like a game of chest" but we can Play them. "L'union fait la Force"........

[JAN]

To answer the original posting made by SUKI pertaining to a reverse migration back to Haiti;simply it's not going to happen.The Irish did not do it after the "potato famine" mass migration ,ditto the German socialists after they were forced to leave Germany by the repression of Otto von Bismarck in the 1870s.

What they did do ,was change the U.S and made it become more Irish and more German.We don't have the numbers that those groups have but what we are doing is make the U.S more Haitian.

One can be both Haitian and American.There is really no contradiction.

[tifito34@hotmail.com]

If I remember history correctly Balaguer the past president of DR build the roads in the the DR because he saw the necessity for commerce.

We the diaspora, those who left the country, the disillusioned and the thousands of Haitians who live abroad and have something to offer the country.

We should be able to return to build roads, build schools, build hospitals, build, build and build.

Reconstruct and build a better Haiti of course the monies come from fundraisers on a national level along with government and foreign international aid.

Our Haitian roadbuilders and civil engineers are as good as any and can competently do the job.

Haiti needs its young and old, the old who would like to close their eyes home in Haiti and the young who are abundant with ideas and smart and intelligent and competitive as well as the group of 30's, 40's 50's or something who have stabilty and the presence of mind to create a civil society based on merit and not the old-boy network as is such in Haiti today.

Break the monopolies and you create competition, the malaise is that everyone wants the government to do it all and that cannot be. They are stuck in a quagmire and the country is following that precipice.

But we as a people building our nation despite the rivalries, prejudices, classes can dream of a better haiti for ourselves and our children.

Enforce the laws, perhaps bring back the death penalty for heinous crimes and you won't have a diaspora afraid to come home or investors saying "if only haiti were...."

Small business is the backbone of any country and Haiti always has an abundance of entrepeneurs who are willing to risk the odds and make their ideas work.

Progress is an idea. And that promulgates competitiveness not monopolies.

The illiterate farmer and son or daughther should know how to read and write.

How about a national campaighn funded by those zillions of dollars in international aid to teach Mr. and Mrs. Jesula to read and write thereby creating a way for people to become an active and productive member of society and not someone to be dissed on.

Port-au-Prince is too crowded why is it that Rio De janeiro can have american car manufacturers and we cannot our are people dumb or is it because we lack vision and the means to act on that.

What about creating alternative forms of energy with that vast ocean surrounding us I'm sure we could find some investment to capitalize on a alternative source of energy that would bring electricity to the majority of all haitians whther in the capital or provinces.

Naturally we should have a scholarship program for our young and I mean all young whether from the city or the hills to study abroad and bring their experiences and be contracted to remain in Haiti for five years to give back to Haiti all that powerful knowledge to make Haiti grow.

It's not about living in Laboule, Peggyville, La Plaine, Thomassin or the bidonville that should define the Hatian but what his or her contribution is to the country to foster it's growth.

The criminals who commit crimes whether heinous or simple should be passed under the law and remanded to serve whatever sentence but they too need to be educated so they do not become recidivist.

If the crime is murder then the state should be prepared to take their lives to show that crime does not pay.

Our time on earth is short so why should we spend it backbiting, not going forward, robbing the country to live abroad or living so well in Haiti that the rest does not matter.

Ours should be an ideal society where there is peace and tranquility we can with the grace of God pretty much give it 100% to make Haiti as enviable as any other country to live in.

Who shall stand and be counted????

[lovehaiti]

dear brothers and sisters, fellow haitians,

I am going back to Haiti but God only knows when. I am homesick every day. I have a plan, i have an idea. Every one of us who wish to go back home can if and only if we sit down together in the diaspora and think of a going-back-to-Haiti plan laid out over a period of a decade or so.

There has to be a plan, lots of planning; you can not just get up and go back after 20 years of living abroad like some people i know have done; that is suicidal.

The first step is to start getting involved in discussion groups in the haitian diaspora around the globe and start creating a network of discussions and eventually a plan with the pros and cons. Here in the Haitian diaspora in New Jersey we are trying to open some regular discussion, non politically motivated discussions that is about this very possibility of returning home.

Ain't no place like home

Mais l'haitien connait tous les chemins du monde.

Any one interested in knowing more can email me at yldep@aol.com.

Patriotic Salutations

[leader]

Well SUKI, I think that the same spirit is still up among haitians living aboard. The only thing is that, most of them are not putting enough efforts into it to make these dreams come true. Like for instance, they tend to rely on others back home to create the appropriate climate for them while the others in return desperately awaiting their support which obviously will never come. I believe that once everyone plays their part, the appropriate climate will be there for them to go back home. I don't know about everybody but, i can not understand that somebody gives up on such a good idea:

"Going Back Home And Help Make Things Better". Think about it!

[Haitinow!]

Excellent topic indeed! It is surely The kind of topics we need for the reconstruction of Haiti if consistency follows the ideas and if we can replace the idea of "Shooting" the hard core criminals by appropriate punishment and appropriate rehabilitation on due time. All the posts reflect maturity and pragmatism and the debates are certainly being elevated to the level of citizenry and not over the Lavalasse-Convergence intellectual masturbations and intellectual dishonesty to prove one's existence as a intellectual or a politician, a practice which is irresponsible and which is promoting sectarism and exclusion while widening the gap between citizens by fostering unwanted adversity. I applaud you all and thank you sincerely for daring to believe in the sublime. It will take certainly more rounds like this one to change the climate and to reassure everyone of the power of collective consciousness before we can consider a decision for implementation. Please continue with determination and your transparent patriotism , perhaps your influence will transform this forum into a true vector for socioeconomic development and collective Emancipation through objectivity, moderation and self discipline.Those must be the goals of a true revolution through which Unity and Social Justice can be achieved at last.

Please be assured of my utmost sincerity in adding my voice to this topic.I shall join indeed.

Yours patriotically.

Haiti Now!

[fanmnwe]

Alo,

I thank you all for your responses and I believe that they have helped me to reaffirm my desire to help rebuild Ayiti. As a Leoganaise who lived in PAP, I have been in the States for 20 years. I only returned to my parent's homeland a few times. In the future, when I have a job that pays the bills, I will go back more often. I want to help so many people, especially the needy and the poor. There are many women's organizations that need our help and I plan to give it to them. I want to start a cooperative of some kind to help nurture the talents and abilities or my country and town folks. I have been told that our best natural resource is our culture. I believe that it's that and then some. My hope is that a great and successful movie will come out and all the profits will go to benefit the progress of the country. I pray that these monies end up in the right hands. Until then, I'm working on my dreams of becoming an academic who cares about Ayiti and her children. I have faith that I can make a difference and someday I will!

Tet ansanm pi bon pase batay!