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Old 06-05-02, 07:04 PM
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Zuly,
Anko yon fwa mwen rekonet kom yon entelokite serye. Se pa de bet ki tombe. Seri sila preske detounen mwen de reve ou realite
Seri sila se la realite.
1994-2002 Ze a rantre nan vant poul la. ......Ze yo kale deja fok ou genyen fyel ak bon zye pou we pou we ti poul yo. Yo sanble tet koupe ak PAPA AK BO PE YO.
Sa ki kale se le pouvwa au mwen kapab.
la koripsyon, l'ingovenabilite,kriminalite, l'insekirite.
la negosyasyon tet chat, black out, le kilt pesonalite, okipasyon peyi a sou kouveti OEA.
Zuly se yon kadejak yo fe sou peyi tout neg fe kou payo. LAVALAS< CONVERGENCE>, KOMINOTE INTERNASYONAL se sa ki fe piti la djenga.
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Old 06-05-02, 09:20 PM
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De ti mo pou SPOONIE ak JOSIANA
Mwen louvri bram byen gran pou akeyi nou sou fowòm nan. Tout moun ka pale. Men mwen ta renmen lè nou ap pale nou gen yon bagay pou nou di. Forum nan pale de relijyon ak politik. pou nou problem relijyon se problem vodou. Dakò. Men pale byen.
Ok. Nou di Vodou se malfezan, se bagay moun nan mòn rekile ki nan fè nwa. Nou konn moun lougawou vodou manje. Nou tande vye pawòl ki soti nan bouch lougawou. Se sa nou kwè ou byen se sa yo di nou. Eske nou te verifye? M kwè tout entèvenan yo ta renmen konenen plis.
SPOONIE sanble verifye de prè li menm paske li di li konn tande vye pawòl ki soti nan bouch lougawou. E dapre sam kwè, yon moun ki pa travay sosyete "lougawou" pa ka tande pawòl ki sot nan bouch yon lòt "lougawou". Ki donk SPOONIE konn zafè "Lougawou "a pase nou tout. An nou kite li esplike nou kouman moun sa yo fè mechanste li di yo. Jwèt pou ou SPOONIE.
M ta renmen JOSIANA li menm banm kèk ti detay sou senptòm yon moun ki mouri sibit e se vodou ki manje li. Ou gen egzanp kouzen ou yo. Mwen kwè se pa di yo te di ou. Se bagay ou wè ak de je ou. Yon ti lostyè nan sa ou konnen souple.
Nou banm enpresyon nou konnen fen e byen tout eleman ki fè kilti peyi nou. Nou sanble ka pale yon moun ki pa konn AYITI de espesyalite AYITI. M ka konprann sa paske nou ki wè limyè nou pi eklere pase moun andeyò lwen ki nan fè nwa yo. Men mwen ta renmen konen nan eklere nou an ki limyè ki klere nou. Eske se yon limyè reyon li pap janm rive klere vye moun sa yo ak vye bagay sa yo ki gan rapò ak vodou fènwa a?
Mwen espere limyè nou pral pote pou ayisyen ki ap diskite la yo e ki pa gen menm opinyon ak nou pral aprann yo anpil bagay.
Kanta mwen m'ap tann repons nou yo pou mwen sispann kache inyorans mwen genyen de kilti pwòp pèp mwen dèyè rebobinaj vye kasèt stereotip ki prezante AYISYEN tankou yon pèp SATAN.
M panse nou pral akonpli travay pataj sa a "Au nom de Dieu".
Par contre si après les détails que vous, les inspirés du "Saint-Esprit" m'apporteront sur le Vodou, je ne vous crois pas encore, ne me prenez pas, je vous prie, pour un simple d'esprit. Je veux seulement pour l'instant etre sain d'esprit.
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SPOONIE sanble verifye de prè li menm paske li di li konn tande vye pawòl ki soti nan bouch lougawou. E dapre sam kwè, yon moun ki pa travay sosyete "lougawou" pa ka tande pawòl ki sot nan bouch yon lòt "lougawou". Ki donk SPOONIE konn zafè "Lougawou "a pase nou tout. An nou kite li esplike nou kouman moun sa yo fè mechanste li di yo. Jwèt pou ou SPOONIE.
Mwen pa konn anyen de koze lougarou Zuly, mwen di konsa, mwen konn tande kek moun mwen rankontre ap pale sou kesyon zombifye, oubyen bay koud poud etc. gen yon zanmi'm ki moun HINCHE, li di'm lan peyi'l. lannuit li pa ka soti paske deyo a plen sampwèl. li di'm andeyò, le wap mache lannuit, si ou tande yon bri deye do ou, piga ou vire tet ou, etc (mezanmi ki koze sa)
ou di "E dapre sam kwè, yon moun ki pa travay sosyete "lougawou" pa ka tande pawòl ki sot nan bouch yon lòt "lougawou"
Mwen pat janm konnen ke lougarou te gen lang pa yo. lol, ki vle di, ou plis konn bagay sa yo pase'm Zuly!
ABA BAGAY MISTIK !!!
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Old 06-05-02, 11:22 PM
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Mwen konnen tankou pwovèb ameriken di l "Se yon chwal ki deja mouri ke m ap bat" ,mwen ta renmen mande Spoonie ak lòt yo ,sa lougarou ,zonbi,poud elatriye genyen pou l wè ak vodou.
Kòm mwen te di anvan ,lougarou (loup garou) ,se yon lejand blan franse yo pote an Ayiti.
Zafè zonbi an ,se yon pwazon ke de moun "malfektè" ,bay yon lòt moun pou l paralize tanporèrman .
Te gen yon nèg Inivèsite Harvard,ki te fè yon etid sou sa.Pwazon sa a yo prann nan yon pwason yo rele "Puffer fish".Donk pa gen anyen ki misterye nan bagay sa a.
Mwen gendwa ba w lòt egzanp sou moun k ap voye poud yo ,elatriye.
Spoonie monchè,vodou se yon bèl relijyon.Mwen te gen dout sou relijyon sa a tou ,e kiryezman se syantifik etranje ki fè m apresye relijyon an.
Mwen sonje sa ka 15 ou 20 an de sa(mwen pa fin sonje).mwen te li yon gwo repòtaj yon sosyològ New York University, sou yon mambo nan Brooklyn ak moun ki frekante tanp li a (honfò).
Mamzèl te pibliye atik la ,nan New York Magazine.
Mwen sonje li te di ke l pa janm wè yon relijyon konsa ,kote youn ap ede lòt ,moun ap danse,moun jwaye(happy).
Apre mamzèl fin ekri atik la,li te fè l kanzo.Mwen sonje tou li te nan show Geraldo Rivera (televizyon),e lè yon moun te ap debite kliche sou vodou yo,mamzèl te fèmen bouch yo ,pou l di yo se yon bann iyoran.
Mwen t ale tou nan yon konferans Dr Corbett t ap bay.Se yon blan ameriken.Misye te ouvè je m sou anpil bagay mwen pa t konnen sou relijyon an.Sa fè m gen plis respè pou li.
Se sa k fè Spoonie anvan w emèt opinyon y sou yon bagay,aprann konnen l.
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Nou banm enpresyon nou konnen fen e byen tout eleman ki fè kilti peyi nou. Nou sanble ka pale yon moun ki pa konn AYITI de espesyalite AYITI. M ka konprann sa paske nou ki wè limyè nou pi eklere pase moun andeyò lwen ki nan fè nwa yo. Men mwen ta renmen konen nan eklere nou an ki limyè ki klere nou. Eske se yon limyè reyon li pap janm rive klere vye moun sa yo ak vye bagay sa yo ki gan rapò ak vodou fènwa a?
Kibo'm te di mwen pi eklere pase moun andeyò sa la?? Mwen pap eseye desann pesonn, paske mwen pa ta renmen pesonn desann mwen . Mwen panse ke nou tout egal ego, an ayiti. Ki afe limyè wap pale la machè, ou rive lwen wi. hw3
m'pa nan polémik !!!
Hee hee, mwen jis panse ke se andeyò ki gen plis lougawou.
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TO JAN
petet yon jou je'm a ouvè tou hw3
P.S: bon m'sot kom nan koze sa, paske genle, le'm byen gade mwen pa konn anyen de bagay sa yo. map kite nou menm "GWO TET" nan koze a pale, ma pran lesson!
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HOW BIBLE COME TO AFRICA
" An African friend of mine once told me a joke which went like this:Many years ago, before the whites came to Africa, we were masters of all the land we could see. Then the whites came, and to be polite we received them. They had with them a book which they called "the Bible."They said to us, "Close your eyes, and let us pray." To be polite, we closed our eyes while they held their prayer. When we opened our eyes, lo and behold! We had the Bible - and they had taken the LAND!"
By a Voodoo Priest
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BOKOR, LOUGAWOU, CHILDREN, do not trifle with LWA GINEN
Once there was a Haitian man who lived in the Artibonite Valley, where the Makaya rite has prominence. This man was very poor, and had neither education or skills with which to earn his daily bread. He didn't even have the money to pay a Bokor (Makaya Houngan) to initiate him properly. So do you what he did?
This man went to the Vodou market, in Portail St. Joseph in Port-au-Prince, and he bought a bunch of little things, and he took them home and put them in his house. Then he told everybody he was a Bokor, so he could take poor people's money. But he really wasn't a Bokor at all. When people came to his house for him to read cards and do wanga (spells) for them, he just did whatever came to his mind, based on what he had seen and heard real Bokors do.
One day, a Seeker came to the phony Bokor's house, and said that he wanted the phony Bokor to read the cards for him. The phony Bokor swelled up his chest, and got chairs, and put a red kerchief around his neck He took out the cards, lit a candle, and said to the Seeker, "What do you want?"
The Seeker said, "But no - is you who is Bokor, therefore it is you who must tell me what problem brings me to you."
"Hm!", said the phony Bokor, and began to shuffle and lay out the cards. "I see," he said. "You are here because you want a woman."
"Me?", replied the Seeker. "I have already a married wife and two outside women, what would I want with another?"
"Hm!", said the phony Bokor, and shuffled the cards again. "I see," he said, "you are here because of someone who has died, because you want to know if the death was natural or magical."
"Me?", replied the Seeker. "Well, my grandmother died, but that was long ago... I don't know of anyone else close to me who has died." He began to look suspiciously at the phony Bokor.
The phony Bokor got up and lit more candles. He poured rum on the ground, and called some women who pretended to be assistants. The women began to dance and sing and make noise, and the phony Bokor shuffled and laid the cards out one more time.
"I see everything clearly now," said the phony Bokor. "You have come to me to make a wanga for you, to make you find a job, to have enough money for your women."
"Me?", replied the Seeker. "I have two jobs, and I work nights on weekends. What would I want with another job?'
The Seeker looked at the phony Bokor yet more suspiciously. "Are you sure you are a Bokor?", he asked.
"Hm! Har! What are you asking me? Of course I am a Bokor, don't you see all the things I have bought for the lwa and put in my house?"
"And you can see the future, for true?", asked the Seeker.
"What are you asking me, man? Of course I can see the future, right there in the cards," answered the phony Bokor.
The Seeker stood up. He passed his hand over his face, and addessed the phony Bokor.
"You see the future... there in the cards... good. Look now! Look in the cards, Bokor, and see if you can not foretell... this great big KICK coming right to your ASS!"
And the Seeker gave the phony Bokor the beating of his life. When it was over, the phony Bokor had to leave the Artibonite Valley, so ashamed was he.
Children, do not trifle with Guinea.
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"Place de la religion dans la culture politique en Haiti."
Mwen panse se sa ki te sijè-a!!
e non
"Place de la religion dans la culture polémique sur HaitiWebs.com"
Se yon bel sijè an-n pa gaspiyé li souplé.
Manzè Zili pa okipé provokasyon, mwen ta renmen wè developman sijè-a.
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Jene provoque pas Erzuly . Oui je suis tout a fait sure que quelqu'un a pratiquer de la magie pour tuer mes cousins.et non, j'ai rien vu. dis moi Erzulr tu n'as jamais entendu une personne declaree que l'on a " manger un tel " dans ta vie?
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