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[lejacmelien]

Many people might not agree with what i'm about to say, but i think this is a big part why our players don't the normal training that they deserve in their clubs and also this the reason why our tournament is not good.

the clubs president in Haiti don't have the capacity the business mind to operate a club like it should be operate it is a business, but yet we Haitians treated like it is our own personal gain and it is for the sake just to say i am this club and that club president, just for status they started a club. This bring down the Haitian division, because the clubs managers president can't offer the players nothing except a place on their team and a chance to play on the national team. I think the players deserve more than that. After they receive what they receive in training, once the player set foot outside the training facility they can't even have some clean water or a little food for their family because the clubs don't really offer them nothing.

For me to be able to have a club not for the sake of status but for the sake of creating a good club who will contribute to the national team and federation, one got to have MONEY, you got to have money to the point that you can get more money with businesses. And one of the reasons that businesses wont put money to the clubs, is because the clubs don't have anyone with a prestige, money and someone with a business mind that can go out and show the enterprises that they are not after their money, they just trying to do business with them so that they can input more in our football division.

Money got to put to the clubs, then a business mind, and then a player passion for the game. If not no matter what our division tournament will always be the under dog.

Tell me if your agree with me or not. OR if you can add more and take out

thx guys

[Bonhomme]

Hi lejacmelien,

I think you are right, , I remember I use to receive 2 gourdes afte a training .then Racing had a small bus we use to train on a field not far from the airport it was 1979 it was the same for guys like Harry Balmire,Lucien Symsom, Tikakone and others

[panoramix]

Things have changed a little bit. Tempete FC for example run a restaurant and other investments to support the team. Baltimore SC has been able to hold their team together by taking very good care of their players. Don Bosco have a young group of entrepreneurs that are looking to promote the club, expose the players and signinf them with foreign clubs.

The passion is there and the successfull clubs invest and reward their players a lot better than before. Tempete FC is also financing a 3rd division youth team.

[lejacmelien]

Panoramix, i understand that things change a little bit, but do you really think that running a restaurant in Haiti can really support a club like the way a club should be supported? I don't think that a couple investment here and there can help that much. Don't get me wrong it is something. You mentioned that Don Bosco have a couple of entrepreneurs supporting the team which is really good but it still not enough. I still think they can do better than that. To tell you the truth i don't even think that the clubs got somewhere around $50.000 us in their case without counting the players earning just that is to support the clubs expenses. Prestige is everything in Haiti, and so is Status. You have to know people to have great deals, also you got to have a business mind. Do the clubs managers and president have the business mind to get the club where they belong? i don't think so. I don't think they have that capacity because they lack the business mind and because the fund is not there also starting with the clubs owners and then the investments.

[panoramix]

The clubs that made recent transfers like Cavaly de Leogane (JJ Pierre) and Don Bosco (JP Peguero) have been managing budgets over $50,000 US for the past few seasons. The clubs now understand how important it is to win and get exposure for their players.

[ralafontant]

Le jacmelien, se yon bèl lide pou ou fè yon diskisyon sou jestyon club nou yo.

Gen anpil bagay ki pou fèt men fòk nou admèt jan pano di l'la anpil bagay ap fèt nan jou sa yo nan club Ayisyen yo nan sans sa a.

Kounye a, fò nou konprann nan yon club, sous finansman l'sipoze se sponsor yo. Sa vle di chak club ta dwe gen youn osnon 2 biznis ki ap envesti nan club la (peye yon kòb fiks chak mwa) epi an echanj, club la ap bay yo viziblite. Sa vle di club sipoze fè kob egzakteman menm jan ak medya yo. Kidonk, kestyon an se : poukisa biznis nou yo konn envesti nan medya yo men yo pa envesti nan club yo? Repons lan senp, medya bay yo plis vizibilite pase club chanpyona nasyonal yo. Se sou sa pou moun travay : ogmante vizibilite club yo, sa ki vle di chèche mwayen pou atire plis moun nan stad yo, fè plis moun enterese nan sa k'ap pase nan chanpyona a.

Kounye a, club nou yo nan kontra ekslizif ak Digicel, kidonk rete nou 3 lane pou prepare teren an, ogmante vizibilite club yo pou lè kontra sa a fini, se antrepriz yo k'ap kouri mande club si yo ka finanse yo. Kidonk, travay FHF la ap fè depi kèk tan pou ogmante vizibilite club yo (tankou renovasyon stad yo pou plis moun vin gade match yo, fè reklam nan radyo ak nan tele pou anonse match yo, bay kèk match chanpyona nasyonal la nan televizyon jan m'konn wè TNH ak p-e kèk lòt konn fè l', pale nan medya yo de chanpyona Ayisyen an jan m'wè 3/4 radyo ak jounal ap fè l', òganize diskisyon sou chanpyona ayisyen an nan forum nou yo tankou Haitiwebs ap fè l'la etc...), travay sa a fòk li kontinye.

Epi apre premye divizyon pou nou atake nou nan dezyèm divisyon ak twazyèm divizyon (la a m'kwè rete anpil anpil travay ki pou fèt).

Epi bon bouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuulllllllllllllllllllllllllll lllllll

[lejacmelien]

Panoramix i understand that these clubs have the amount of $50,000 us because of some good deal that they have with transfer players, that is good, but the thing is how many percentage of that $50,000 goes for the club. how many percentage goes for the agent if they have one and how many percentage goes for employees of the club. You said that they understand how important it is to give their players exposure but the question is do they have the business mind to do it, do they have a strategy? I got to remind you that $50,000 is only the club expenses.

Ralafontant i understand of what you are saying but for the investor to spend money to the club, they have to see that the clubs have someone who have deep pocket and who is capable of taking care things without them in a way. The clubs don't even have a strategy on their own how they gonna give exposure to a business where they can't even expose themselves. All the clubs are doing is waiting for FHF to give the money that they going to give them and let the FHF take care of everything. What don't they go out and expose their players, their games, do advertising for their clubs on their owns without the FHF, why should they wait for the FHF why don't they do all of this by themselves.

Well the question to me is very obvious. It is because they don't think like they have a business in their hands to manage, and also they don't think like businessman. Like i said before on my first thread the only thing that they care about is status on their own.

Don't get me wrong Ralafontant all what you said is good, but the FHF can't do it along. As long as the clubs don't think as businessman and they don't treat the clubs like businesses we are still going to have a low level division.

[descharles]

Hey, LeJacmelien

As suggested by your username, I assume you are from Jacmel. I didn’t know people from Jacmel knew anything about football since you guys never had a decent club. Just kidding, I had to take that shot.:-)

Well, I agree with part of you statements, but you assume too much since it looks like your only proof to back up your idea is the obvious lack of cash in Haitian football. How do you know the club managers don’t have the business sense you are talking about? I think you are too hard on them. These people are doing a lot with so little sometimes using their own money to support the club.

Like I said, in essence I agree with you. We need a professional league. RaLafontant has a very good point, to manage a club like a business you need revenue which other businesses should provide.

I am from Saint-Marc and I can tell you that Tempete and Baltimore are more than just clubs. These are real institutions. With the meager means they have, they take good care of their players. I remember when I was a kid these clubs used to look for the best jobs in town for their players…DGI, EDH, Teleco…

I am a tempetiste and I follow the club very closely. These people spend a lot of money on this club.

[ribertm07]

Guys i have anything to say about this statement only one thing i know...We are a poor country...The clubs owner do the best they can to support the players. I am not going to blame them they make it lots effort for these clubs.

[mc_2006]

before i start talk about this statement guys give me a list of all big businesses that you guys konw are in Haiti.i'll tell you y later. thank you.

ok guys there is something you gys dont mention is sponsor for our clubs we have a lot of big company in Haiti that only make money there and dont spend them in sport or our youths .for example cocacola,prestige,famosa they make juice and ketchup and there are more. just thing about those company that are making money there not helping our sport .