Search the Web 
Subjects: 30,675 | Messages: 65,601 | Mp3s: 0 | Videos: 103 | Members: 17,130 | Online: 61 | Newest : ticoloco
Haitiwebs Home english  français  register  faq  contact us
Go to Haitiwebs Chat     Register   
Calendar Search Mark Forums Read
World News News and information around the world
New version coming up
Please avoid posting for one day or two. A new site is coming up and database has already been transfered....All new posts/registrations will be lost
Welcome to the Foire d'Opinions Haitiennes forums.
You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!
If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact us.
Upcoming Events for the Next 3 Day(s) Private calendar events are seen only by member who owns calendar
Calendar
: December 3rd
Latest Top News ::.. November 28 - La femme d'un commissaire de police enlevée et exécutée November 28 - Boulos réhabilité par le Sénat Wal-Mart (Haitian) Employee Trampled to Death Choléra: 389 morts au Zimbabwe, l'épidémie prend une "dimension régionale" November 21 - Entretien Preval-Obama Patrick Gaspard: Obama's Political Director Décès d'une éminente éducatrice spéciale et féministe haïtienne Grande gueule et bonne conscience Le Génie scolaire s'en lave les mains Clairmélie Noga, une histoire, une vie

Comment
 
Article Tools Search this Article Display Modes
'Is he black enough?' It's not a simple question

Click image for larger version Name: senatorbarackobama.jpg Views: 1137 Size: 41.0 KB ID: 10612 Description: Senator Barack Obama
Senator Barack Obama
Featured Articles
Article Tools
Show Printable Version  Email this Page 
Published by bana2166- 08-11-07
news 'Is he black enough?' It's not a simple question

Today: August 11, 2007 at 7:21:19 PDT
'Is he black enough (Senator Barak Obama)?' It's not a simple question
Sen. Barack Obama is the first black American with a realistic chance at becoming president, and that fact has created a number of racially edgy moments during the campaign.
Obama's presidential rival, Sen. Joe Biden, called Obama "clean" and "articulate," which set off a national discussion of the term "articulate" as a patronizing way to describe a black man.
Then NBC News' Tim Russert asked Obama on the most "Establishment" news program of all, "Meet the Press," to defend some comments made by black actor Harry Belafonte, who implied that Obama would be held to a preposterous standard: Account for the behavior and statements of all black people everywhere.
But perhaps the most racially uncomfortable question of all arrived this year from Obama's fellow black citizens, and still seems to hang in the political air: Is he black enough?
Indeed, at a convention of black journalists at Bally's, that very question was the subject of a roundtable discussion. In an appearance at the convention Friday, Obama dealt with the subject head-on, first leavening the discussion with humor: "I'm sorry I'm a little bit late. But you guys keep on asking whether I'm black enough."
The packed Bally's ballroom broke up in laughter.
The question, though, is a serious one because the answer might help explain a perplexing fact of the Obama campaign: In a Washington Post poll earlier this year, 44 percent of blacks favored Obama, while 33 percent were for Sen. Hillary Clinton.
Although Obama had made significant gains in the poll, his support among blacks still seemed surprisingly low.
Observers of African-American attitudes have hypothesized that some black voters aren't convinced Obama, raised by a white mother, identifies sufficiently with the legacy of slavery and Jim Crow. The assumption here is that he doesn't truly understand the experience of growing up like some other blacks in an impoverished, urban, mostly segregated environment.
That attitude leads to another set of questions about the meaning of black identity in a country with a history of painful racial exclusion and violent terror. There are those, however, who believe the question of whether he's sufficiently black is largely irrelevant.
Lorenzo Morris is the chairman of the political science department at Howard University and believes black voters don't believe Obama is electable.
Black voters, in his estimation, are quite savvy and know that Obama, being new to politics, doesn't have a strong infrastructure in state parties across the country. They fear he's the new Howard Dean, Morris said, referring to the fl ash-in-the-pan 2004 candidacy of the former Vermont governor.
Moreover, he said, black voters are plenty comfortable with Clinton and former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards as candidates who will represent their interests and advance a progressive agenda on issues such as urban renewal, health care, jobs and civil rights.
Melinda Chateauvert, a professor of African-American studies at the University of Maryland, said black women in particular may think Clinton, as a woman who has balanced work and a sometimes highly tumultuous family life, can understand their concerns more than Obama does.
(Then there's Clinton's husband, former President Bill Clinton, who has always been beloved in the black community, with the author Toni Morrison going so far as to call him the "first black president.")
Of course, the entire notion that black voters are a monolith and can somehow be expected to automatically support a black candidate is just shy of offensive anyway.
At a house party for Clinton in Las Vegas on Thursday, Rekaya Gibson and Rova Williams said they like and admire Obama, but said they support Clinton because she has more experience.
When asked about the opportunity to back the first black president, Williams, a retiree, brushed the question aside and turned back to Clinton: "I feel no kinship, but every now and then we are sent leaders, and we shouldn't pass these people by."
Former Sen. Joe Neal, Nevada's first black state senator, is supporting Edwards, he said, because he senses Edwards is the man for the moment, the leader who can return the country to a more Rooseveltian standing. As for backing a black candidate, he said, "I'm not about feeling good. I want something done."
For Lorenzo Martin, the publisher of the Chicago Standard, a group of black-oriented community weeklies in Obama's hometown of Chicago, Obama's blackness is not the issue. "I don't think being black is the question," Martin said. "Obviously he's black." The real issue, he said, is whether he surrounds himself with black advisers, and whether he advances a progressive urban agenda. The jury is still out, he said.
Chateauvert said the question of Obama's blackness is real and contributing to the skepticism among black voters.
Unlike previous black leaders, he doesn't come from the tradition of civil rights leaders who came out of the black clergy, she said.
Instead, Obama went to Harvard Law School, where he was the fi rst black president of the prestigious law review, and then was a community organizer. Part of his problem is that he was born after the civil rights movement had matured, which means he doesn't have the close ties to a movement that other leaders have experienced.
Chateauvert said Obama is suffering collateral damage from the rivalry between blacks here because of slavery and more recent immigrants from Africa and the Caribbean. (Obama's father was a Kenyan goatherder.) She said some American-born blacks have failed to empathize with the great struggles of immigrants, who themselves are dealing with the legacy of colonialism, tyranny and underdevelopment in Africa and places such as Haiti.
She also said his support in the white community may raise questions among some blacks about his commitment to affi rmative action, minority contracting and other important issues in the black community.
All of these separate issues add up to something, Chateauvert said, although she had trouble naming it and wouldn't call it distrust.
Obama confronted all of these issues head-on at the close of his presentation before black journalists Friday.
"This is a puzzling question, and it's been perpetuated through our press, and we should ask ourselves why that is."
He said it can't be his physical appearance or his background as a community activist, civil rights lawyer or legislator who worked hard on issues important to urban blacks, such as racial pro- filing, jobs and health care.
"What it really lays bare is that we're still locked in this notion that if you appeal to white folks, then there must be something wrong with you."
Then there's his Harvard problem, he added. He appealed to the journalists in the room, many of whom were also educated at elite universities, to empathize with him on that score.
And then he closed by addressing the survey data referenced by Morris, the Howard University political scientist, who said blacks probably think Obama will never win the support of the Democratic establishment: "Part of it has to do with fear. We don't want to get too excited about our prospects because we'll get let down in the end," Obama said. "Well, my attitude is, let's try it."
Source: Las Vegas Sun
J. Patrick Coolican can be reached at 259-8814 or
at patrick.coolican@lasvegassun.com
  #1  
By bana2166 on 08-11-07, 12:10 PM
news

This is the dummest question a Presidential candidate has to be subjected too or answer - Are you Black enough?
As a community going forward and leaving as Diaspora (NYC, Florida, Boston, Quebec, and ETC) around the world. These are question may face down the road.
My blood is Boukman and My heritage is Boukman-American ... if that is not black enough for you ..... Hell with you ..
Reply With Quote
  #2  
By Al Saqr on 08-11-07, 05:08 PM
What on earth is boukman blood ?
Reply With Quote
  #3  
By tilezanj on 08-11-07, 09:03 PM
Boukman was a Jamaican priest
Reply With Quote
  #4  
By Al Saqr on 08-12-07, 03:25 AM
Yeah, i think i know that, but how would you know that you have some of his blood ?
This "boukman blood" thing is just some kind of weird ideology... voudou ideology maybe :S :S
Reply With Quote
  #5  
By bana2166 on 08-12-07, 02:31 PM
news

Dutty Boukman est un personnage historique de Haïti.
Biographie [modifier]
Il naquit à la Jamaïque. Esclave de l'habitation Turpin dans la plaine du Nord de Saint-Domingue, il était un "hougan", c'est-à-dire un prêtre de la nouvelle religion vaudou développée à partir des croyances des diverses régions d'Afrique de l'Ouest d'où provenaient les esclaves. Il était d'une haute taille et d'une force physique telle que son maître l'avait nommé commandeur (c'est-à-dire contremaître), puis cocher - postes de confiance.
Dans la nuit du 14 août 1791, au Bois-Caïman, lieu reculé de l'habitation Lenormand de Mézy, il organisa une cérémonie vaudoue pour un grand nombre d'esclaves. Un cochon noir fut sacrifié et les assistants burent son sang afin de devenir invulnérables. Boukman ordonna alors le soulèvement général.
Celui-ci eut lieu la nuit du 22 août. Les esclaves de cinq habitations les brûlèrent et massacrèrent les blancs, y compris femmes et enfants. Pendant une dizaine de jours, la plaine du Nord fut en flammes. On décompta près de 1000 blancs assassinés, 161 sucreries et 1200 caféières brûlées. Boukman poussa jusqu'à s'avancer devant le Cap-Français. Ce n'est qu'alors que les autorités ripostèrent. Boukman périt au combat, à la tête de ses troupes.
Comme il passait pour invulnérable auprès des esclaves, on exposa sa tête au Cap.
Malgré la riposte, cette révolte d'esclaves ne fut pas vaincue. D'autres chefs succédèrent à Boukman : ses lieutenants Jean-François et Biassou, ainsi que Toussaint qui ne s'appellait pas encore Louverture.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
By tilezanj on 08-12-07, 02:39 PM
Boukman was a musulman priest or IMAN from Jamaica, and the so called Bois Caiman that no one knows the location is an historian mistake. There was a ceremony near boukman's house, in creole, BO KA IMAN
Reply With Quote
  #7  
By bana2166 on 08-12-07, 03:02 PM
Boukman ... Regardless where he was born ... He name is surnames with Haitian History ..
Reply With Quote
  #8  
By tilezanj on 08-12-07, 03:06 PM
Is he really? Or haitians are just not appreciative? Not even a single plaque anywhere in the country to commemorate him.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
By bana2166 on 08-12-07, 03:18 PM
news

Quote:
Originally Posted by tilezanj View Post
Is he really? Or haitians are just not appreciative? Not even a single plaque anywhere in the country to commemorate him.
The lack of commemorate plaque for Boukman could be easily be attributed to the fact the word "Slaves Voodoo Priests" is discriminated in Haiti and religious leaders (Christianity) does not want it to be worship or honor ..
Reply With Quote
Post New Article  Comment
Article Tools Search this Article
Search this Article:
Advanced Search
Display Modes
Posting Rules
You may not post new articles
You may not post comments
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Points Per Thread View: 2.00
Points Per Thread: 15.00
Points Per Reply: 10.00
Forum Jump
Similar Threads
Article Article Starter Category Comments Last Post
MIT team cooks up simple fuel recipe TiCam Business 1 08-01-07 05:36 PM
Toussaint Louverture: "The Black Napoleon" or "Black Spartacus" or "Moses of Haiti" bana2166 Art & Culture 4 02-25-07 06:35 PM
Amazingly simple home remedies! TiCam Suggestions 5 07-13-06 08:51 PM
La Poudre Aux Yeux,mago Dans Ses Poches, Un Billet Simple Pour Perou 51-1 ! KAKAKOK Will Crisis Ever be over 13 03-27-03 08:58 PM
copyrights © 1999 - haitiwebs.com, a Virtual Haitian Community. All rights reserved.
The time now is 12:37 AM.